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Leaked Mike South Emails Reveal The Man Who Built Rob Black

Well, well, what do we have here?

It’s a May 2013 email thread featuring a Mike South / Rob Black love fest. One month later, performer Katie Summers, under Black’s tutelage, filed a lawsuit against HIV-positive director John Stagliano and his company Evil Angel, alleging “negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and sexual battery” for touching her butt cheeks with his hand in a scene of the 2010 movie “Buttman’s Stretch Class 4.”

Here we find South, the only porn gossip blogger with AHF on speed dial, furthering his personal mission to undermine performer testing by feeding information to con-artist/snitch Black. While members of the adult community were fighting for their rights in court and the California legislature, South was offering encouragement to the reviled Black and arming him with propaganda designed to demonize and help weaken confidence in adult business trade association Free Speech Coalition, and PASS (then APHSS) testing protocols.

Failed adult talent agent, amateur pornographer, gossip blogger and AHF lackey Mike South

 

True to his reputation as the adult world’s least factual blogger, South gets most of his information wrong (see below), but his cordial mentor-like guidance of vengeful pariah Rob Black is revealing.

Rob Black fan

The Mike South – Rob Black emails

From: “mikesouth@mikesouth.com” <mikesouth@mikesouth.com>

To: Rob Black <rzblack@yahoo.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:15 AM

Subject: Re: Rob Black

 

simply put the PCR DNA is a viral load test its good for early detection because it detects the actual virus, however if you have been on the anti virals and protease inhibitor drugs your viral load will drop low enough that the test will not catch it.

 

So someone like John Stagliano or Magic Johnson Or Karen Stagliano who has HIV but comes into the biz after taking the anti viral meds will test clean on PCR DNA tests.

 

Thats the dirty little secret that AIM and the FSC and APHSS have tried to hide for years…don’t take my word for it though look it up, ask a virologist.

 

That is why Kary Mullins the inventor of PCR technology said that it should never be used as an HIV test but simply as a diagnostic tool to determine the viral load. 

 

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From: Rob Black <rzblack@yahoo.com>

To: “mikesouth@mikesouth.com” <mikesouth@mikesouth.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:28 AM

Subject: Re: Rob Black

 

 

That’s why your you and I’m not smart. That was very neatly and simply explained and its fucking shocking.  Wow ok so now the question is what do they say is the best test that says med’s or no med’s you got the bug fucking simple cant hide it.

 

RZ

 

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From: “mikesouth@mikesouth.com” <mikesouth@mikesouth.com>

To: Rob Black <rzblack@yahoo.com>

 

Dont sell yourself smart Rob  you are plenty smart, you get things…someone explained it to me as well ya know.

 

The Gold standard test is a term that the medical community uses to describe what it considers to be the best test.  Right now, for HIV the gold standard is the ELISA with the Western Blot as the confirmatory test.  If a person tests positive in porn with the PCR DNA test  they still use the Western Blot to confirm.  apparently it takes two different tests to confirm a diagnosis

 

now  30 years ago, the elisa test had a a potentially long window…everyone likes to use the 6 month term….With current elisa  testing that is not really true.  Current Elisa Testing will pick up  an infection in 90% of cases in the first ten days of exposure and  99+ in the first thirty….how does that compare to the PCR DNA?  it is almost identical

 

So why do we use PCR DNA…simple  It costs 100 dollars….AIM was making a much higher profit per test (about 60 dollars)

 

we could go to one test one shoot right now because the ELISA test called Oraquick is now available over the counter at any drugstore for less than 40 bucks

 

Ideally id say do one pcrdna test and an elisa when someone enters the biz and one test per shoot thereafter, maybe with a periodic elisa

 

John would NOT pass the ELISA Test BTW.

 

but the big thing here isnt so much HIV to me  fortunately HIV is actually pretty damn hard to get from heterosexual sex (except anal)  to me the big thing is the stuff we dont test for that is at least as dangerous as HIV  Like Hepatitis and HPV.

 

Hep-C will kill you faster than HIV these days.

 

when you break it down to its simplest form….its all about the money….

 

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As noted above, Mike South gets most of his information wrong, as usual – even the name of the inventor of PCR testing (Kary Mullis, not Mullins). AIM Healthcare is long gone thanks to the efforts of AHF, yet South STILL can’t get the facts about their testing system right.

 

For six years, Tim Tritch was employed by the labs that tested the specimens drawn at AIM: Heathline Clinical Laboratories and later Westcliff Clinical Labs. Tritch was the Account Representative for the AIM Healthcare account, and he states:

Healthline Lab ran the HIV/PCR-DNA Qualitative [for AIM]… Healthline won several of the most prestigious awards in the laboratory industry, including the Roche Molecular Biology Laboratory of the Year, and was the West Coast Center of Excellence for Roche. Healthline basically became the school that all other laboratories trained at when applying for PCR validation…The head of Healthline Laboratory’s molecular biology department was part of the Nobel Prize winning team with Kerry Mullis who developed PCR technology.

That’s right, the man responsible for the testing done on behalf of the adult industry was a member of the team that developed PCR testing – yet South somehow knows better than him how the test he helped create should and should not be used…

For years, Mike South used to claim that AIM made a $90 profit per test, and had only switched to a PCR test to increase its revenue. Here he claims it was $60, which is still wrong. Again, let’s quote Tritch – who took home a commission on every test and knows exactly what the costs and margins were.

AIM purchased the tests for $75 and sold them for $120. That leaves 45 dollars to cover ALL of her (AIM administrator Sharon Mitchell’s] expenses. In reality, AIM could have made a larger profit with the Elisa test, which she could have gotten done, with the volume of tests her clinic did every day, for about 10 to 15 bucks. She could have charged fifty for that, and marked up the gonorrhea and chlamydia test by five or ten dollars. AIM paid $25 for the G/C and gave it to performers for $25. According to the Mike South School of Porn Economics that must be a $50 profit (lol).

As for South’s opinions on the relative merits of PCR vs ELISA HIV tests – well, they’re laughable too. (recently, TRPWL addressed the supremacy of PCR viral load testing in this report, and veteran performer/RN Nina Hartley broke it all down in great detail here.

In any event, today labs are required by law to run a parallel ELISA along with every PCR (not just as a confirmatory test if the PCR indicates ‘detected’). The parallel ELISA is called a ‘non reportable’ test. And the notion that an HIV+ person on meds would test negative on the PCR is laughable. HIV+ individuals routinely have PCR tests done to measure their viral load as part of their treatment.

Also – South claims HPV is “as least as dangerous as HIV”? Huh? Now, obviously Hepatitis C is serious business, but there is no consensus on how readily it can be transmitted sexually. “Hep C is transmitted blood-to-blood primarily through needle sharing among IV drug users,” Nina Hartley noted. “The CDC does not classify it as an STD and clinics aren’t required to report it to health authorities as such. It’s a nasty, often fatal, disease, but it’s not a risk for single-contact sex performances and the hysteria drummed up around it by the Usual Suspects is medically indefensible.”

Of course, this level of disinformation is par for the course with an axe-wielding blowhard like South, but the real story here is how South used Black to disseminate anti-FSC/PASS/APHSS propaganda. In doing so, Mike South helped build the monster that is Rob Black. Be sure to remember that the next time South tells you (in between AHF press releases) how much he loves the people in world of adult.

 

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  • Awwww. Next thing you know South will be the star of Porn H8RZ Bukakke. Black, Byron, Ross and the AHF moron will all jizz on his face, then Katie Dummers will wash it clean with "squirt."

  • Nice to see something truthful about AIM in print after all this time. These two lying loudmouths have done a pretty good job of burying that truth under a metric ton of bullshit but truth has a funny way of surfacing no matter how deep the liars try to sink it.

    I was board chairman at AIM for six years and on the board from day one and neither Black nor South has ever uttered one correct or honest word about how AIM operated, nor has either been able to explain how, if all their false accusations were actually factual, AIM's system, now adopted and updated by PASS, worked so well for so long.

    Tell me, boys, if we were such a bunch of crooks and frauds, where are all the HIV cases we failed to detect during our 13 years of operation? How come everyone in the business isn't infected? Where's the math fellas?

    And speaking of math, the window period on the ELISA is STILL six months maximum. It's built into the way the test works. As for ARVs making it possible to fool the Aptima test, or the PCR-DNA before it - show me a study in one peer-reviewed medical journal that supports that claim. Good luck, because that's not what the scientific evidence shows.

    But who needs evidence when you can get away with just making up whoppers that support your self-serving political agendas?

    Trouble with that is that even AHF, which generally has no problem putting low-lifes in front of the camera won't even take your phone calls. Even bottom-feeders have their standards.

    • Ernest, I wish I could 'like' this comment more than once. Thank you. We care about the facts here, so it's the highest compliment when the actual participants stop by to say we got it right.

      • You're most welcome. You've done more than anyone else to bring the facts to light. This entire business owes you a debt of gratitude for your work.

        Alas, we know how good this industry is about paying its debts, but the work is always worth doing.

  • I'm glad that Ernest Greene and Michael Whiteacre have been responding to negative things said about AIM by Mike South, etc.. I thought from the beginning that Robert Black's attacks, over the last few months, on the x-rated industry have been him trying to be a Mike South imitator. These emails back up my belief of who he was being inspired by. Until a few months ago, I thought Black was mellowing, I was sure wrong! I do think it would be a good idea for Ernest Greene and Michael Whiteacre to write about what caused the debt situation at AIM. There are people that are implying that stealing of money was going on because of the amount of debt that AIM had when they closed down. There are people that will believe something shady was going on unless there is an explanation for why AIM owed so much money. I'm very pro-x-rated industry so I'm biased to give AIM the benefit of the doubt when it comes to allegations of financial wrongdoing.

  • Of all the garbage flung at AIM, the implication that we were stealing money is the most ludicrous and insulting. AIM started with almost no money, operated in constant struggle for money and ended up owing money. Nobody affiliated with AIM made anything more than the minimal staff salaries we paid, and they were minimal indeed.

    Here's what happened at the end. On average, our lab bills were around $50K a month, based on doing forty tests a day on average. We charged just enough to cover that bill, pay the staff and keep the lights on.

    Then we got sued by Cal-OSHA, demanding access to confidential patient records in their quest to compel condom use in the industry by demonstrating that we were covering up infection incidents. We weren't, of course, and reported to L.A. County Health all infections according to legal requirements. However, we weren't legally able or morally willing to surrender those records to a state agency with no legitimate right to them. We won that case solidly, with Judge Winifred Smith practically kicking Cal-OSHA down the courthouse steps for even trying such a stunt.

    But we had to pay our lawyers and good representation does not come cheap.

    Then, of course, we were sued by AHF on behalf of a couple of marginal performers who claimed their medical privacy rights had been violated as a result of AIM data appearing on The Site That Must Not Be Named, even though there was no evidence that the data in question had been obtained from AIM. Indeed, much of the material supposedly "leaked" from AIM's records could not have been because we never kept records including the kind of information that was attributed to us. Of course, at the time we didn't know that AHF was paying our lab messenger to spy on us and colluding with other sewer dwellers in the creation of a phony cause of action.

    AHF's suit never made it to a court ruling, but in the process of defending ourselves against it we racked up more legal fees, which was just what AHF intended as part of its plan to submarine AIM which, according to emails between AHF head Michael Weinstein and AHF counsel Brian Chase, was an obstacle to AHF's plan to force mandatory condom use down the porn industry's throat. Indeed, those emails identify AIM as the primary obstacle to AHF's intentions and therefore the primary target of AHF's machinations.

    In a disaster that continues to reverberate to this day, AHF succeeded in forcing AIM management to make an impossible choice - keep paying six-digit legal fees fighting off AHF's nuisance litigation, which would clearly never end, and thus be unable to pay the lab bills and other expenses that kept right on piling up as always while we fought to stay in operation, or accept a bitter defeat and admit we couldn't pay both the lawyers and the labs. Bankruptcy was what AHF wanted for us and that's what they got. Yes, at the end we owed a lot of money to a lot of people, but not because anyone stole it. We operated at such a low margin and with so little in reserve we simply couldn't pay for all the artificial catastrophes AHF dreamed up to throw at us.

    To put this in perspective, AHF takes in about $200 million a year (nearly thirty percent of which goes to staff salaries, including Michael Weinstein's annual $638,000). AIM's entirely yearly budget wouldn't have covered AHF's senior staff compensation.

    They simply outspent us in court. The money didn't go anywhere. It didn't magically disappear. We never had it in the first place because, unlike AHF, we didn't view fund raising as our primary mission. For as long as we thought there was a chance of keeping the doors open we fought on, getting our vendors to extend us as much credit as possible, but in the end they understandably refused to perform lab services gratis indefinitely. It was clear that the lawsuits would never stop, the porn industry would never put up enough money to defend against them and AIM would never be able to satisfy its creditors. The result was just what AHF intended. AIM went under so Weinstein could claim that there was no health safety net in place in the industry. He made that lie into truth by draining AIM dry with bullshit lawsuits.

    What great way to show how concerned AHF really is for performer health and safety. Shutting down the clinic that tested and treated them at minimum cost by using trumped up litigation as a weapon of economic warfare. Nice.

    At the end of the day, we knew we owed more money than we could ever hope to pay back and we did what any organization in that position must, we declared bankruptcy. Labs didn't get all their money. Lawyers didn't get all their money. Insurance companies didn't get all their money. That's because there was no money by then.

    But even though AHF is morally responsible for AIM's destruction, the FSC and the industry it represents are far from innocent in this matter. Months before AIM shut down, Sharon Mitchell, Nina Hartley and myself met with company owners and FSC senior management, told them what was going on and predicted virtually to the day when AIM would finally collapse under the burden of legal expenses. The only thing that could have prevented this would have been a massive infusion of cash and legal assistance from the FSC and the companies they represent.

    Instead, they extended their sincere sympathies and stood on the sidelines while AIM was dismantled. Ever since they've all been regretting it but it's a little late now, isn't it? They were warned of the consequences and did nothing until after the consequences hit.

    Then FSC finally got off its ass and established the PASS system, which works perfectly well from the companies' POV because it provides the same kind of high-quality testing and monitoring AIM did. But Pass does not provide the clinical and social services AIM did. It does not answer to performers as AIM did. It answers to its corporate sponsors as AIM never did. The big players in the business were accessories before the fact to AIM's destruction and the kind of centralized services AIM provided are now split up among various other operations, doubtless contributing to the messy and confusing situations that have arisen since AIM's disappearance and giving AHF more ammunition for its crusade against the whole industry.

    There's plenty of blame to go around on the ground here, and AIM's share of it lies entirely in an unfounded belief that the owners of this business would, at the end of the day, be too smart to let us go down. We learned a hard lesson about that and now everyone else is learning the hard lessons arising out of their failure to address the threat to AIM's existence when they were first warned about it.

    I doubt that any of the remaining AIM bashers will ever admit to the truth of this whole sorry matter, but there it is from the inside. I have no motive to lie. With AIM gone, I have no dog in the fight other than a continuing interest in trying to protect my compatriots in the working part of the industry from further abuse at the hands of AHF and its minions. But I will not be silent in the face of continuing calumnies against the best thing this industry ever had for its talent and I will neither forgive nor forget those who chose to remain neutral in the face of evil.

    For them, as the saying goes, there is a special place in hell.

  • And now you know why Ernest Greene holds the esteemed title of Contributor Emeritus over at BPPA. It's not just because he happens to be Nina Hartley's husband, you know. His game is as tight as his satorical tastes.

    It's so amazing that Mike South's lying ass can't be bothered to check a freakin' website to know how HIV tests are distributed. Otherwise, he would have found out that Western Blot tests are NOT used to verify PCR tests, but to measure and document viral loads. Indeed, most health professionals say that PCR tests should always be used to verify results whenever there is a conflict between antigen tests like ELISA and viral load tests like Western Blot. As always, "Mary Sunshine" has it bass ackwards.

  • Wondering about The point of this blog post. To say someone is wrong and someone else is right? WTF?

    With all the controversy about tests in your industry I did some major homework. I'm not in your industry, just a curious homemaker with kickass research abilities.

    The controversy made me curious about what test would be BEST for me. With the info about there for undetectable, qualitative, quantative, RNA, NAT, ELISA, western blot, RPR and more it was confusing.

    Qualitative and quantative are funny words to describe these tests. These terms describe data research methods.

    Basically it comes down to SCREENING and CONVENTIONAL with neither being sufficient in and of itself to make a diagnosis of HIV, HepC and the other conditions tested via these methods.

    Since the APTIMA test was mentioned so often I looked at the fine print and hope you will too. The test is for those who can't wait for conventional test results. It is a screening test and will do what a conventional test won't, it will show "acute" or new infection but it won't PROVE a negative with not detected.

    Wy does this matter? Well the goal of HIV treatment is to lower the virus to undetectable levels. (Each screenning or Viral load test has its own threshold for how to determine this)

    I'd like the PROFESSIONALS on this page to answer A few things. Will the western blot ever show a negative once it has been positive?

    Will the ELISA (which is not a standard part of the PCR, NAT processes) show a negative once it has been positive?

    Why are there TWO syphilis tests offered? Am I wrong in my understanding that one of tests shows yes/no and the second shows the amount to determine if syphilis treatment has been effective and or re infection occurrence?

    Lastly if someone who has had syphilis will always test positive for it under the old guidelines but is now offered the second test to PROVE they do not have active disease WHY aren't these same standards applied to HIV?

    Simply being NON-detectable doesn't mean UNABLE TO INFECT. It just means your viral load is too low to count via bloodwork, yet you can still have DECTABLE levels in your semen or vaginal fluids. Is the chance REDUCED with undectable levels..yes is it ELIMINATED...NO!

    Lastly don't take my word for your health...do the research and read the fine print for yourself.

  • @ Anthony Kennerson

    Please do YOUR OWN homework...I did mine and YOU ARE INCORRECT!

    Western Blot and ELISA are used to find the actual antibodies AFTER our body has developed them by fighting the VIRUS. Doesn't matter if it is chickenpox or HIV we don't get "antibodies" to fight the virus until the immune system has kicked in, once the immune system kicks in they are found.

    PCR and NAT testing looks for copies of the actual virus which is why they ae so great at early diagnosis. They find the ACTIVE viral particles vs the antibodies.

    That is why they are called SCREENING tests for early detection. They say nothing about proving yes or no! (Even with window exclusion)

    Go to CET website...READ the stuff about the APTIMA test..especially the FAQ APTIMA vs ELISA

    Read the parts about how the test works before "antibodies" develop then go on to find out how it is used for REACTIVE and NON REACTIVE antibody tests. How it can help with ACUTE but doesn't mention positive but on HIV meds. THAT IS WHY I DID SO MUCH HOMEWORK, TO DETERMINE WHAT TEST WILL BE BEST FOR ME.

  • So, Reader, how much did AHF pay you for that standard-issue boiler-plate bullshit you posted? You're not in the industry but somehow you found this rather obscure place to post a bunch of double-talk that disproves nothing said earlier and does not prove anything claimed by your AHF pals.

    A curious homemaker indeed. I'm curious about who you really are, how you got here and what motivated you to do all this claimed research and end up spouting the AHF party line nearly word for word.

    You're peddling ignorance and confusion. You question my motivations for posting what I did regarding who is right and who is wrong. The answer is that for as along as AHF has its crack troll squad out there circulating disinformation there will be a need to call them out on their lies.

    Homemakers who read porn sites and do extensive research on HIV testing and comes up with results that distort the truth beyond recognition in order to post them in a space normally read primarily by people directly involved in the porn industry or who follow it on a regular basis.

    Nothing suspicious at all about the way you popped up out of nowhere to do this. I'm sure you're just who you say you are, acting on the motives you claim to be and have no prior involvement with this issue on behalf of any organization or in support of any political point of view.

    I also believe in Santa Clause and The Tooth Fairy.

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